The 26 is redundant, since other bus routes run everywhere it runs. The 25, basically, is the Lucan Village route to Dodsborough (rather archaic; it's a wonder that the 25A wasn't extended to Dodsborough beyond its current terminus).
What might give the two routes a shot in the arm would be to combine them into one route—run via the 26 route but turn right onto Coldcut Road; go via Liffey Valley Centre, come back out onto the N4 and then finish via the 25 route. Sound better?
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Why does the 25 and 26 still exist as separate routes...?
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Posted 3 years ago #
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What about when it gets to Liffey Valley SC send it via st Lomans Road and on to Ballyowen Road an on as normal
[posted by: Daz42c]Posted 3 years ago # -
Also the 25 will soon be of more use when Adamstown is finished
[posted by: Daz42c]Posted 3 years ago # -
You will never find an empty 26 at peak times from Palmerstown as it is 30 min quicker than 78A and people use it as an alternative due to its short(or faster )route to and from the city. The service was increaded due to demand.
[posted by: a2000]Posted 3 years ago # -
The peak demand is between where and where? Palmerstown, not Ballyfermot, I will assume. Certainly not the hospital, which is a stone's throw away from the Coldcut Road intersection. A diversion via Coldcut Road would cut out a mere eighth of a mile from the current journey and remove no current service to/from Palmerstown's Kennelsfort Road. I certainly wouldn't call going via the very slow Chapelizod Road a "faster" route than via Ballyfermot Road; it's definitely a different way to go, but there are no 26X trips that operate via the N4 bypass.
Faster route to the city? The 78 runs a mere six times per day—service on that route, a more direct route between Ballyfermot and the city centre, should be increased to match the service level of the 78A.Posted 3 years ago # -
obviously no expewrience of Ballyfermot road or traffic conditions at coldcut junction or liffey valley. 26 fills up between hospital and bottom of kennelsfort road. 78 has a running time of 10 mins less than 78A at 55 mins and actually encounters more traffic at heuston and quays. 26 running time 35 mins and can do it in 20. At this running time no need for x service as 26 rarely stops after kennelsfort as lucan corridor buses take passengers so in effect it acts as an X but serves st marys hospital as many locals work there.
[posted by: a2000]Posted 3 years ago # -
26 fills up between hospital and bottom of kennelsfort road
Between meaning exactly where...? As I recall, there is one bus stop between Cherry Orchard and where Coldcut Road, Ballyfermot Road and Kennelsfort Road meet. Would cutting out Cherry Orchard and diverting into Liffey Valley Centre really abandon a sizeable number of passengers?
78 has a running time of 10 mins less than 78A at 55 mins and actually encounters more traffic at heuston and quays
The 26 runs on the quays as well. Traffic coming from Heuston has to go over the bridge; also, there's the Luas crossing over Wolfe Tone Quay between Benburb Street and Heuston Bridge. Parkgate Street is no cakewalk, with the Conyngham Road traffic merging with the traffic coming from the Phoenix Park.
26 running time 35 mins and can do it in 20
Of course, the 26 doesn't do the roundabout routing via Neilstown, Rowlagh and Balgaddy like the 78/78A do. (Makes one wonder if it really was worthwhile cutting back the 51 as much as DB did, eh?)
At this running time no need for x service as 26 rarely stops after kennelsfort as lucan corridor buses take passengers so in effect it acts as an X but serves st marys hospital as many locals work there
That's a stroke of luck...perhaps the 25A does indeed take the pressure off the 26...but still and all, the Chapelizard Road is quite the creeping route, even with the bypass helping. Think they'll ever build the Lucan Luas...?Posted 3 years ago # -
sending it to liffey valley would send more people onto the 78a as 26 would take approx 20 mins to liffey valley and 10 from liffey valley as this junction cannot cope with the number of cars cutting up kennelsfort to lucan to avoid the m50 roundabout. Bus could be waiting 20 mins to make right turn. Chapleizod road has a bus lane outbound towars the bridge. have come from town on 13.55 26 and was home at 14.25 this was with a 15 min walk from the bus. Went into town on 78A. took 65 mins and was full. no competition. If you are around chery orchard hosp 26 always has a leisurely turnaround as it always funs ahead of time. 25/A 66a/b 67/a all serve liffey valley so no need for 26 to go there and delay people. The reason for it going to the hosp is simple. it used to run to 18 terminus and turn there. The manor and whitethorn were built and 216 extended and hosp only safe place to turn as with old 78A terminus. purpose built turning bay with termini intact. Lucan Luas to run via liffey valley and ballyfermot to existing line at kylemore.
[posted by: a2000]Posted 3 years ago # -
IMHO, Ballyfermot has no need for the Luas. They already have a rail station at Cherry Orchard, which would gain more importance if that vaunted Interconnector ever gets built (any real chance of that?) or if they start running Arrows via the Phoenix Park Tunnel (no reason why that can't be done now, to be frank). A Lucan Luas ought to follow the N4 as closely as possible—still plenty of room for a dedicated right-of-way alongside the river for part of the way.
And as for combining the 25 and 26, I did mean that service frequency should go up on that route…Posted 3 years ago # -
From what I gather, the 26 is part of the 66 group of routes and is run by Phibsboro Depot.
The 25 is part of the 25A and is run by Conyngham Road.
While I agree with Al to some extent, the 25 is a busy route and the 66/67 sometimes are not enough to serve Lucan Village. The 26 however, I see this bus most evenings and it's usually only half full, and thats on a good evening. I always thought this bus should have been extended to Liffey Valley Centre or merge with another route to become cross-city, perhaps the 13B or the 43 or 63, opening up new areas to Heuston, Fairview, Stephens Green etc. instead we have a whole bunch of routes travelling the same way and terminating in the same place.
Look at the success of the 83 and 19A, two routes which have great loadings across the city centre.
[posted by: P]Posted 3 years ago # -
I still think the 172 and 13B would be agreat combo! *New Route Number 12*
Also the 19 (From Jamestown to City) and 15A *New Route Number 19*
Also the 20B and 19 (From City To Bulfin Road)
*New Route Number 20*
Although there are many others I would make
[posted by: Daz42c]Posted 3 years ago # -
The railway station in cherry orchard is one of those nonsensical entitys of this city. You have to get a bus to Heuston. get a train. get off at cherry orchard and get another bus to take you sometimes 1 mile back to where you passed on the train. bus train bus. makes no sense. anyway that station is being moved up to park west so will be of no use whatsoever and be only a few hundred yards from clondalkin station unless that is moved as per proposals. Even with the park tunnell it would still be quicker to get to parts of Ballyfermot by bus as the bus from town would be the bus you would have to take from cherry orchard station. There are only 7 trains per day that stop at cherry orchard. The reason for lucan luas via ballyfermot is to serve liffey valley and link with red line at Kylemore as there would be no sense in laying miles of track along n4 as there is not much residential lands there. If patronage is so low on 26 then why was service increased in frequency? Busiest at peak times. 20b used to work from bulfin as did 19A. 19A was always cross city route. Merged routes seldom have same frequency as when they were seperate.
[posted by: a2000]Posted 3 years ago # -
The railway station in cherry orchard is one of those nonsensical entitys of this city. You have to get a bus to Heuston. get a train. get off at cherry orchard and get another bus to take you sometimes 1 mile back to where you passed on the train. bus train bus. makes no sense
Yeah, that's why I mentioned the Interconnector. And doing Luas/train/bus is just as problematic, I take it…? If this Interconnector thing goes through (or even without it), I believe that they are still planning to quadruple-track the former GSWR line between Heuston and Hazelhatch (going all the way to Kildare would be better IMHO).
As for Park West, the only site mentioning this is Platform 11…I don't see anything on IE's website. Then again, Platform 11 is also claiming that Dublin-Kildare will be electrified…but that's not reflected in IE's new purchases of DMUs instead of EMUs. The current Cherry Orchard Station is called Cherry Orchard/Park West, anyway. Not a word about a Fonthill Road station, or even Adamstown, from the horse's mouth.
The reason for lucan luas via ballyfermot is to serve liffey valley and link with red line at Kylemore as there would be no sense in laying miles of track along n4 as there is not much residential lands there
There's no room in Ballyfermot to put a light rail line. Going via Kylemore adds at least twenty minutes to a journey into the city—plus invites interference with the very frequent Tallaght trams. Since the Luas trams do not have couplers, it is not possible to make long trains of LRVs on that system. Besides…the only website that still has the Lucan Luas on it is the LRTA website, not the Luas or RPA websites, so I'd say that proposal is off the table, sadly
Posted 3 years ago # -
trams can be extended by adding on to mid sections so coupling not necessary. this luas would link with dart at grand canal dock. Also there is a bus lane running full lenght of Balyfermot road inbound and in places outbound. there is also a service road on either side which could accomodate tram lines. There was no room for a bus lane yet we got it regardless.Park west station is a condition of the development of cherry orchar town centre as it will be the centre piece of this area and a selling point for the 1200 houses being put up adjacent to m50/ceaderbrook. The trams from tallaght would cease to be so frequent as the lines are developed. like DB for instance when Ballyfermot had the bus service it needs now in the 70's and with the population older and doubled it is half what it used to be. If u got a luas at lucan u could go to grand canal dock or change at kylemore for tram to the city. It depends on how people want to travel. Perhaps then DB would have the buses to cut some routes and provice new routes to parts of the city that are crying out for them.
[posted by: a2000]Posted 3 years ago # -
I have made a sample 25 timetables it is on my site on the Documents - My Dublin Bus Section
Dublin bus route history
[posted by: Daz]Posted 3 years ago #
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