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Goodbody report
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From what I have seen of the Goodbody report commissioned by private operators, it is the most utter piece of tosh ever written on the subject. It completely fails to recognise that bus subventions are an environmental and economic necessity for a city like Dublin, and that only a publicly controlled bus system can respond properly to the real needs of all Dublin's transport users.Posted 5 years ago #
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If there were a profit to be made in providing local bus service, no public takeovers would ever have occurred. The only profitable times are during morning and evening rush, and during "shoppers' time" on the weekends. Other times of day are big money-losers; only way there would be money to be made would be to run on-demand un-timetabled bus service, and you don't ever get groups of people large enough assembled in order to make that a worthy exercise (which is why taxicabs have always been around, even since the era of horse-drawn vehicles)...
With private operators, you are paying the same subsidy (or possibly more) for inferior service, inferior-quality buses, ad nauseam...Posted 5 years ago # -
The CIE monopoly needs to be broken, the public are fed up with Semi-state services, with "jobs for life" unionised staff!
[posted by: Joe Public]Posted 5 years ago # -
Well Joe,It aint going to be so.
The new Secretary of the Dept of Transport,Mr Andy Cullen (No Relation ?) has decided NOT to recommend to his Minister that the Break-Up of CIE be proceeded with.
This recommendation is subject to some agreement on a new regulatory structure for the Public Bus Sector in Dublin AND an immediate rewriting of the 1932 Transport Act.
Since those changes had already been agreed in principle by the various interested parties in the Dublin Public Transport Forum report in 2000 it represents a real advance,even if we have had to acknowledge that Seamus Brennans period of madness achieved absolutely nothing for Dublin or its Citizens.
It is implicit in the Departmental Secretary`s observations that he recognizes how we have a system in place which many of our EU partners dispensed with some time ago and are now bitterly regretting doing so.
Changes are definitely on the way !!Posted 5 years ago # -
The CIE monopoly needs to be broken
Brilliant...and where will the funding come from when you have disparate bus and rail companies again, mind telling us that? You can't make money in public transportation. The more companies you have in the mix, the more the government has to pay out to support these separate companies.
There is a reason why companies like CIE came into existence, the aforementioned lack of profitability being chief among them. Think before you post.Posted 5 years ago # -
It,s not only profitability there would be no guarantee of an off-peak service just look across to our neighbour,s in BritainPosted 5 years ago #
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"The CIE monopoly needs to be broken, the public are fed up with Semi-state services, with "jobs for life" unionised staff!"
Dublin Bus is there to provide a service not to make a profit!!
[posted by: Daz]Posted 5 years ago # -
Tell Mary Harney that , she want,s to sell it off to her mates in the P.D,s just so they can get the subvention and do a runner .Again I say have a look across the waterPosted 5 years ago #
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A little vignette for your delectation. During the Kildare north by election I was waiting at the 67A bus stop in Maynooth when a Merc pulled into the terminus. (Which is signposted as for buses only but never mind.) And who popped out but a couple of FF hacks who proceeded to canvas the bus queue. When they got to me they asked how I found the bus service in Maynooth. I said that it was reasonable but needed more buses. The canvasser said "Ah yes we'll be trying to do something about that of Aine (Brady) gets elected." I then asked him if that was why Bertie was holding back on the extra buses promised in the NDP. He looked a little taken aback so I pushed on. "You just want to slice it up for your rich mates. That's what you mean by more buses." Now for some reason when political canvassers realise that they haven't got a hope they ask you to consider them for a preference, which is what he did with the kind of cute hoor wink FF are renowned for. I answered that there was no point as I was registered in Dublin and wouldn't be voting anyway. He gave me a look as if I was something unpleasant he'd just stepped in. Then (thankfully) the bus arrived.
[posted by: zeppo]Posted 5 years ago # -
Hey Daz! How do you provide a service without making a profit?
[posted by: GO SHARP]Posted 5 years ago # -
You still make money but just enough to keep the company going.
[posted by: Daz]Posted 5 years ago # -
That never happens, unless you are running long-distance bus trips with all of your buses full. Never happens with city bus service. Off-peak bus service doesn't make money.
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my da can help
[posted by: robert tedders]Posted 5 years ago #
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