17th May 2004. Aprox 8am.
To the driver of the above bus at Sandyford nr the LUAS junction this morning.
You are a total prick and are totally iresponsible. In fact you should not have the responsibility of peoples lives on your vehicle.
I am not going to go into detail as what you did. You already know this. Lets just say you are heading for another Headline Incident.
And to think you find your actions amusing?
You let your other fellow bus drivers down in shame and make the public judge all and one as the same as you.
It has to be said you are a prick with a capital P and it concerns me that potentialy my friends and family and possibly even children may travel on your bus!?
[posted by: Fellow Bus Driver]
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Service #75 Reg:99-D-10523
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Posted 4 years ago #
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I am not going to go into detail as what you did
And you tease the rest of us? Shameful on your part. Are you hoping that DB management reads this, what with posting the registration number of the bus he was driving? If you are indeed a "fellow bus driver", then you are trying to be a rat by proxy. Rats do not enjoy long tenures in the union, you know. Deal with this fellow via other means.Posted 4 years ago # -
Well spotted Al.
Suspicious look about this.
Anything concerning the Sandyford Est/Luas Crossing at 0800 is bound to raise suspicions never mind hackles.
I should imagine that SDCC/DLRCC and Luas themselves are hoping that the new Goatstown relief road will take some of the traffic away from the Stillorgan side adjacent to the longest car Park in the City.
Plenty of painted cross hatching at the entrances/exits to the Park and Ryde sites will of course allow for smooth ingress and egress of vehicles with Minimum disruption.........as long as its not raining !!!!Posted 4 years ago # -
Or mabey this person is consciencious about what happens to his passengers. Rat is a vey childish word to describe this person. If I made the complaint i would be a concerned citizen. The driving must have been pretty erratic for this driver to take the trouble to create the post. It is because of people like you Al, that he may have felt he could not publicly complain as he would be ostracised by his colleagues even if his actions may save lives. Bus drivres do take risks, pull out where it suits often with no indication and seem to think they have 2nd ownership of the road next to taxi drivers. If someone is a danger to passengers then they should be reported regardless but if its going to cause you trouble personally then the message should be got through by any means possible. Shame on YOU for using the union as a deterent for making this appalling dirty slow costly service safer.
[posted by: A2000]Posted 4 years ago # -
A2K...hold fire for a moment.....So far nobody on the board has the remotest inkling about PBD`s comments.
It would be wise to bear in mind that Fellow BUS Driver need not necessarily by fellow DUBLIN Bus driver.
I do agree however that the Union comment is a red herring and the Union has no function in any of this scenario at all.
Any poster familiar with the Sandyford Estate area will be only too well aware of a shambles of a system which can only be worsened by the imminence of LUAS.
Since we have no FACTUAL eveidnce,only hearsay,then the best thing to do with this thread is Delete it....!!!Posted 4 years ago # -
Dont really know what your talking about when it comes to Unions (but thats because we dont have any here at AC. lol)
Certainly wasnt one of our vehicles as none with that reg nor that ident number.
isnt there any way of checking DB bus use to see if such a vehicle belongs to DB and if so, who was driving it?
[posted by: Aircoach Man]Posted 4 years ago # -
..also. Enlighten me. Define the title of "Rat".
A Scab?
to add further comment as we at AC go thru Sandyford/kilmacud every day. I have noticed many cars and taxis, instead of queing in an orderly fashion behind other road users when turning right at the LUAS crossing, "booting it" into gaps that apear once the lights go green. I see this all the time. In fact, i have come to expect it from taxis at all junctions etc, let alone here.
Pointless getting wound up about it tho. If you let road stress get to you it will only cause harm to yourself.
Just let it go. Dismiss it even. You WILL feel better at the end of the shift.
Difficult at times i know. More so for you all at DB as i expect you have to cope with wanker passengers aswell.
[posted by: Aircoach Man]Posted 4 years ago # -
Rat is a vey childish word to describe this person
"Rat" may be a slang term, but it is accurate. Any union member that tattle-tales to management is waiving both his own integrity and, really, his right for the union to represent him when it comes to any grievance. There are other channels open to him that can result in disciplining an offending bus driver.
Define the title of "Rat". A Scab?
A scab is a non-union member that hires on as a worker while the union membership is striking (basically breaking the picket line). A "rat" on the other hand is one that tattle-tales to management about fellow union members. There can be serious legal repercussions when it comes to "ratting"; certainly, rats open themselves to punishment by the union, up to and including expulsion from the union. Ratting violates union agreements and undermines the position of the union and its ability to defend its members.Posted 4 years ago # -
As stated he may not drive for the same company. He may have been in his car and not from the same garage if a DB driver. This is not a union issue.
[posted by: A2000]Posted 4 years ago # -
Then he lied. The handle used should have read "Rival Bus Driver" since "Fellow" implies working at the same company and being a member of the same union.
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Ridiculous. He lied. How childish. It is possible for you to actually be wrong Al, strange as this may seem to you
[posted by: a2000]Posted 4 years ago # -
I said he lied about being a "fellow" bus driver, did I not? Anything else he said I cast no aspersions on (e.g. I didn't claim that he "lied about everything"). I do apologise if I was not clear...
Posted 4 years ago # -
we are all fellow human beings. To distinguish between colour/religion would be racist. Should we not refer to white people as fellow beings and black as rivals? Just trying to follow your logic.
[posted by: a2000]Posted 4 years ago # -
That's not my logic, and it's off-topic to boot. WTH does race relations have to do with conflicts between bus drivers?
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The point is AL That there are no rival bus drivers as there is no bus competition. We are all fellow car drivers. There are no rival car drivers as this would incite road rage. If the person involved wants to portray himself as a fellow bus driver this does not mean he drives for the same company. As fellow drivers we do not all drive the same brand of car. You have to give the benifit of the doubt or take people at their word instead of name calling and accysations of being a rat or grass being bandied about. Anyway if this person is a DB driver and saw what the other driver did then Surely the accused saw the rat accross the road? Would recognise him know who reported him and that would be an end to it. I personally applaud the fellow driver as you, being out of the country could not know the standard of driving we wndure on a daily basis.
[posted by: a2000]Posted 4 years ago # -
I think you missed the point completely. Rivalry is not limited to bus competition, you know. And in labour relations, that's a very sticky business. Once you resort to trying to alert management instead of going through the unions, that is not being a "fellow" or a peer and is also violating the agreement he/she signed when joining the union. Nothing to applaud there. Do you approve of breaking the chain of command yourself?
Also, commuting by automobile is actually competing with the buses, or did you not know that? Every public bus that you pass while driving your car, you are rivalling. And even so there are no "fellow drivers" auto to auto, if my observations behind the wheel on roads in Ireland are any gauge.
As far as "standard of driving", when at my previous job, I drove 100 miles each way, over half of those miles while stuck in traffic moving no faster than 20 mph. (And I have encountered equally frustrating traffic in every urban area of Ireland as well.) Want to further presume what I might not know...?Posted 4 years ago # -
This guy is not a bus driver at all..A driver would have quoted the fleet number and bus type not the reg .. We would also not use "service No" He is just a s**t stirrer ..
[posted by: 51bman]Posted 4 years ago # -
i drove trucks all my life,its bad enough,bus drivers arguing is not on,truck.bus.taxi.drivers all have to put up with every other sunday clueless driver type,we all know there will be an occasional bad one amongst us,dont be fighting,stick to the middle lane,block the private motorist,they are the problem.Posted 4 years ago #
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This would have been discussed in the canteen at the break not here.
Very few of us know the regs of our buses, the fleet numbers on the other hand!Posted 4 years ago # -
No only if contact made between buses. This is between car and bus driver (i reckon)!!Posted 3 years ago #
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