However, it is not the old route that it used to be, the extremely frequent (every 10 minutes) bus that used to run between the City Centre and Spiddal Park via Kilmainham and Inchicore Road (later Emmet Road and Grattan Crescent to Sarsfield Road)—no, this article on the DB website instead describes the resurgence of an infrequent new route 78 that does not serve the Thomas Street/James Street corridor, but instead operates bi-directionally via Con Colbert Road and St. James Road West (I have to mention that because some readers my age will recall when the 78 had some weird eastbound and westbound operations on Inchicore Road, Sarsfield Road and Con Colbert Road in the past).
The slightly-resurrected route 78 only operates nine times a day in each direction. No Saturday or Sunday service. Read the timetable for the not-so-exhausting details…
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Route 78 is BACK! I cannot believe it.
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Whoops—for St. James’ Road West, please read St. John’s Road West. In retrospect, I am surprised that DB did not use the number 79A for this route…but I suppose that you would have to run the bus via Decies Road for that.
Also, it is rather strange to have a member of the route 78 family running the whole length of the Liffey Quays now…Posted 5 years ago # -
You better believe it Al! The people of North Clondalkin have been crying out for a bus link to the city centre that doesn't get stuck in traffic at the likes of Inchicore, Kilmainham, James Street, Thomas Street and Christchurch.
Read all about how I started the campaign for Route 78 on DublinBuses.com
[posted by: Barry, editor DublinBuses.com]Posted 5 years ago # -
They only gave you nine buses a day in each direction though. I would give out about that, myself. Myself, I remember the 78 as the Spiddal Park bus, the one that had frequency to rival any CitySwift of today…
www.dublinbuses.comPosted 5 years ago # -
You're right Al. I also remember the original Spiddal Park 78 service. Over time more buses were allocated to the extended 78A to North Clondalkin and the 78 became a shadow of its former self. It was eventually cancelled altogether and replaced with the extended and re-routed 79.
This new 78 only works peak time Monday-Friday. I can understand this....If I was in Dublin Bus, I would view it as a trial to see how good the loadings are, and if there's a positive feedback from passengers on the shorter journey times into the city centre.
Eventually I hope the 78/78A will become like the 13/13A, with almost an even split in buses used, but with the deviations en route and common termini at both ends.
Time will tell !
[posted by: Barry]Posted 5 years ago # -
Still and all, I do concede that even those nine trips each way is a major step forward.
I was wondering, though (if I may digress), what would your opinion be about a revamping of the 51/51B routes within Clondalkin? The old 51 is a shadow of its former self, what with DB re-routing the 78A to take most of its former traffic. Would you say that the old 51 Neilstown service needs some revitalisation, plus perhaps extending into Liffey Valley Centre on a permanent basis…? (For my part, I never liked the 51A going up to Beaumont, but that is yet another issue.)
Also, getting back on-topic, would you say that it would be better if all trips out of North Clondalkin be moved off the Kilmainham corridor (current 78A) and perhaps moved onto Con Colbert Road on a permanent basis? The 79 could always be moved onto the Thomas Street/James Street corridor to replace the then-usurped 78A…or do you feel, like you indicated above, that service to/from Ballyfermot and North Clondalkin via Kilmainham remains necessary?Posted 5 years ago # -
I'm hoping in time to see an even 78/78A split.
I feel there would still be a role for the 78A along the James St corridor.
People in North Clondalkin wouldn't be entirely discommoded and those in South Clondalkin, Inchicore and Kilmainham would still have the 51B.
Speaking of the 51s, there is talk of extending the 51B to the new industrial area of Grange Castle. This would be a good opportunity to sort out this cumbersome route.
I would split the 51B as follows:
51B from Grange Castle, round the Bawnogue loop, Ninth Lock Road, the Village and Woodford into town.
51C from Grange Castle, into Cherrywood, round St.John's Meadows (doing away with the 69 running through there), into the Village and straight along Monastery Road into town.
Everybody would get to the city centre quicker!
When Luas opens at RedCow, the 51 should become a feeder service from Liffey Valley, Neilstown Road, Bawnogue, Condalkin Village, Woodford and Monastery Road.
The 210 could then be scrapped. It would be covered by the 51 as above and by a new cross-city 51A as follows:
From Beaumont via city centre, Patrick Street, the Coombe, Dolphin's Barn, Crumlin Road, Long Mile Road, Newlands Cross, Clondalkin Village, Neilstown Road to Liffey Valley.
The 51A would then become properly linked with the rest of the 51 family of routes!
[posted by: Barry]Posted 5 years ago # -
Leave the 79 alone. What will happen when the South Clondalkin QBC opens and 51B is re-routed from Longmile junction Via Crumlin Road to City? Clondalkin will need the link of 78A via james St/Thomas St. DB could also play around with route 206 which should operate from 79 terminus via route 79 to inchicore and 78A to St Michaels church onto Bulfin Road and St Circular Road Currently served by 19 through St James hospital and route 78A to City. This would provide Cherry orchard with a link to Inchicore village, Kilmainham and the hospital as it is a good walk from the main gate unless you use 123. 206 was originally for elderly in Drumfin to access shops and was a replacement of 78B but as it is coming from the city it is impossible to gage what time the bus will come at. Argument for local service?Posted 5 years ago #
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Leave the 79 alone. What will happen when the South Clondalkin QBC opens and 51B is re-routed from Longmile junction Via Crumlin Road to City? Clondalkin will need the link of 78A via james St/Thomas St. DB could also play around with route 206 which should operate from 79 terminus via route 79 to inchicore and 78A to St Michaels church onto Bulfin Road and St Circular Road Currently served by 19 through St James hospital and route 78A to City. This would provide Cherry orchard with a link to Inchicore village, Kilmainham and the hospital and thomas st as it is a good walk from the main gate unless you use 123. 206 was originally for elderly in Drumfin to access shops and was a replacement of 78B but as it is coming from the city it is impossible to gage what time the bus will come at. Argument for local service?Posted 5 years ago #
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What will happen when the South Clondalkin QBC opens and 51B is re-routed from Longmile junction Via Crumlin Road to City?
What makes you think that is going to happen? Or did you just make that up for a laugh. There is no room via the Crumlin Road/Drimnagh Road corridor, so you must have made that up. Lay off the Guinness…Posted 5 years ago # -
No al. Consider that the lower end of the Naas Road is currently 1 lane each way because of luas so there is no-where to put a QBC. Work is already in progress on this QBC which will tie in with the west Tallaght QBC at Half way house Walkinstown and will then operate via crumlin road dolphins barn the new very wide Cork St the coombe and existing bus lane to christchurch. There was also no room on the Ballyfermot rd as this was just a normal 2 way road but it is now 3 lanes in a particular place as part of the North Clondalkin QBC. Anyway ther is a bus lane outbound on the Drimnagh rd and outside Crumlin hospital there are 4 lanes inbound and 3 lanes outbound including a bus lane. If they can get a lane on Ballyfermot rd they can do it on the crumlin road. I dont find it necessary to make things up as you seem to think. Only people with sad or no life would think that
[posted by: phil]Posted 5 years ago # -
Consider that the lower end of the Naas Road is currently 1 lane each way because of luas so there is no-where to put a QBC.
The Luas right-of-way could be paved over, allowing bus traffic to operate on it as well as the trams. (Yes, it is the unlikely scenario, but truthfully, I suspect that the Naas Road will eventually be widened—after all, look at what they did with Cork Street, both widening it and extending it to Dean Street.)
The 51B won’t go anywhere, and certainly not via Crumlin, duplicating the 210 bus route. Complete removal of the N7 QBC would not be in the cards, but that is JMHO based on observation and hunches, admittedly (not to mention that passengers would complain about it)…Posted 5 years ago # -
There is no possibility of widening the Nass road as it approaches Inchicore as there is houses on both sides of the road. Also 51B return journeys from city would have to give way to luas at top of stephens hill onto James st and right turning trams from Davitt road onto Naas road at black horse inn and vise versa for inbound trams. The only part to loose out will be the stretch from longmile junction to inchicore as this is already serverd by 19, 68,69. QBC 78A and 79. Luas will replace 51b along this stretch and 210 is proposed to run less frequently and from Liffey valley not serving Bawnogue if it is kept at all.
[posted by: phil]Posted 5 years ago # -
Also if this is not going to happen why is there signs in coombe, crumlin showing artists impressions of what the south west clondalkin incorporating the west Tallaght QBc will look like when its finished?
[posted by: phil]Posted 5 years ago # -
Youze Lads have stumbled upon the first point of operational conflict between Bus Cliath and LUAS...And its an issue which will eventually have to be decided by an outside authority......
The 51B vs LUAS will be the first in a series of confrontations which will pit one mode against the other.This sad reality is largely due to The Government still refusing to get the regulatory framework done IN ADVANCE of all the changes on the ground proposed by the Miniscule for Transport.
Its about leadership and vision etc...all principles totally foreign to any Irish Administration.Posted 5 years ago # -
I have an idea…let us get this thread back on topic since it has nothing to do with the 51B at all.Posted 5 years ago #
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